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OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI

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OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI

Lex Fridman Podcast #367

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OpenAI CEO Sam Altman discusses the progress and inherent risks of AI with MIT researcher Lex Fridman.

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In a March 2023 podcast, MIT researcher Lex Fridman interviewed Sam Altman – CEO of OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT and GPT-4 – about the future of AI. Many believe super-intelligent AI will provoke fundamental societal, political, and economic changes in people’s lifetimes. Will AI eliminate poverty and suffering or annihilate the human species? Will it take people’s jobs or make their work more rewarding? Such conversations between political leaders, scientists, engineers and philosophers are critical before this emerging intelligence – however it manifests itself – falls into the wrong hands. 


ChatGPT represents a defining moment in AI development.

Sam Altman thinks people will look back on GPT-4 as “a very early AI.” Like archaic computers, it’s comparatively slow and buggy, but points to emerging technology that will soon become essential to human lives. Progress in this field is a “continual exponential.” GPT is a groundbreaking large language model (LLM) but it was its implementation into the chatbot ChatGPT that made it so accessible and easy to use. GPT-4 trains on massive quantities of data from open databases, websites and partner companies. Reinforcement Learning with Human Feedback (RLHF) helps align the system to perform human-initiated tasks efficiently and filter out unwanted material. The system itself can formulate follow-up questions, acknowledge mistakes and bounce back demands that are deemed out-of-bounds.

Open sourcing has helped researchers figure out how useful the system proves in real-world scenarios and how it helps to create better products and services. 

GPT-4 is helping to define human knowledge, making the leap from a box of facts to true wisdom. Scholars push back at the notion that the system...

About the Podcast

Sam Altman is an American entrepreneur, investor and programmer. He was the co-founder of Loopt and is the current CEO of OpenAI. Lex Fridman is a research scientist at MIT who specializes in machine learning and human-robot interaction. His podcast involves “conversations about the nature of intelligence, consciousness, love and power.”

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